Cornel West and Richard Wolff talk about Capitalism and White Supremacy

Cornel West and Richard Wolff talk about Capitalism and White Supremacy


Hi I’m Laura Flanders. Today on the show,
a conversation about capitalism and white supremacy with two brilliant minds. Dr Cornel
West and Professor Rick Wolff and later we hear about one small business that’s operating
under a different economic paradigm. All that and a few words from me on who’s on the hook
for the Deepwater Horizon spill. That’s all coming up. Welcome to our program. [music] The great liberation of the middle class.
That’s what Karl Marx called the US war of independence. Getting out from under feudalism
was nice, but Marx looked to the war against slavery to empower America’s workers. He didn’t,
as it turned out. Largely, he believed, because the newly emerging capitalist system was never
designed to deliver the longed-for liberty, equality, fraternity, and democracy. In fact,
quite the opposite. That’s why many are giving Karl Marx a new look in these troubled times.
Among them, our next guests. Richard Wolff teaches economics at the New School University
in New York and hosts the Economic Update Program on Pacifica radio stations. Prof Cornel
West is the author of Race Matters, Democracy Matters, and more, and the co-host of Smiley
and West on public radio. Welcome you both to the program, I’m so glad
to have you here. -It’s a blessing to be here
-Thank you Let me start with the basics, you two. Thank
you so much. You’ve been revisiting old masters. I know because we did a panel together about
Tom Paine. You’re doing another panel with Gail Dines and Chris Hedges, Cornell can’t
make it, but you’re talking about Marx. Why? Why are you visiting these folks? Professor
Wolff, Rick. I think the biggest plug for it now is that
global capitalism is in terrible shape. It imploded on itself in 2008 and it hasn’t emerged
from this crisis, not even by a little. All the talk about recovery not withstanding,
the mass of people are in very bad shape economically. The gap between most people on the one hand
and a tiny number of very wealthy people on the other is becoming a kind of daily obscenity
in everyone’s face. And so people are naturally asking, “Is this the best we can do?” And
discovering that there’s a whole tradition out there called Marxian theory which says,
“No, we can do better.” And that we have to question a system that works this way and
so they rediscover Marx. But Marx was a German writing about industrialism
in 19th century Northern Europe. Is that relevant to people here in the States in the 21st century?
Especially African Americans? Oh, I think it’s very relevant. Karl Marx
was one of the great prophetic figures of the 19th century because he had an analysis
of capitalism that kept track of the precious humanity of working people and poor people.
No one can deny under global capitalism that there’s been an escalation of oligarchs and
plutocrats. No one can deny that big banks and big corporations are now dominating government.
No one can deny that working people are not benefiting to the degree that which hedge
fund folk are. Wall street people are. So that wealth inequality and all that goes with
it has, one has to come to terms with it. So, in that sense, Marxist analysis is probably
the most indispensable form of analysis to make sense of a highly financialized monopoly
capitalism in our day. What did he write about the US? Did he write
much? Oh, yeah. He made his living such as it was,
working as a reporter for a newspaper here in the United States for many of his years.
It was through that that he covered the Civil War in the United States, and the whole interest
of slavery. That was very important and he wrote voluminously about all of that. This
was a man who basically understood that the promise of capitalism, which he always likened
to the French Revolution … or you put it very nicely at the beginning, the slogans
of the French Revolution-liberty, equality, fraternity, brotherhood. These were the promise
of a capitalism that would replace feudalism and bring us, finally, a society that was
free and equal and had all those qualities. And by the time he’s a young man, he realizes
that was a false promise. Capitalism had indeed replaced feudalism, but it wasn’t bringing
us liberty, equality, and fraternity. And then he made that great breakthrough and he
taught us capitalism is not the agent for liberty, equality, fraternity. It’s the biggest
obstacle we face to arrive at that. And that was the impetus for the work that he then
did to analyze how and why capitalism operated as such an obstacle.
But how does that work out? In this country, we’re given the idea that communism, socialism
is about control, capitalism is about freedom. And freedom resonates. Resonated with centuries
of people in this country, at least, too. Well, I think freedom, like everything else-like
beauty and so on-lies a little bit in the eye of the beholder. Freedom to do what? Marx
was very clever. He said, “Yes, you can free a person from slavery, but what freedom is
that if the next thing they are in enslaved to another system that treats them very similarly?”
Marx loved to use the phrase “wage slave” because he wanted to teach working people
that when you move from slave or peasant status and you’re now a wage earner, that may turn
out to be another kind of slavery leading you to have to recognize that the further
break has to be made. And then Marx tells us how and why that’s the case.
But that’s a tricky sell in the US, or at least it must have been in Marx’s time, Cornel,
because freedom from slavery was a big plus and to be a wage slave rather than someone
getting paid nothing at all was certainly a positive.
Oh, no doubt, no doubt. I think Marx was also preoccupied with what’s missing in the slogans
of the French Revolution. Which is democracy. See, Marx was part of a radical democratic
tradition that says that the voices of those at institutions must shake the direction of
those institutions. So, wage slavery is another form of undemocratic governance to the degree
that which work worker’s voices, and of course Brother Wolff talks about this with unbelievable
eloquence and insight in his recent works, that the voices of workers are not heard.
And so America talks about it’s love of democracy but when it comes to the workplace, our workplace
looks very cryptofeudalistic in terms of those at the top dictating [and shaping the destiny
of those with unions. But, I mean, Brother Wolff lays this out.
Do you want to come in on that? Sure, I mean, Cornel says it very nicely and
summarizes it. When you go to work in the morning, in a capitalist system, you’re walking
into a place where what you do, how you do it, what’s done with the fruits of your brain
and your muscle are all handled by a tiny group of people, over whom you exercise no
power at all. They can fire you, and do when they think it’s in their interest to do so.
This is the opposite of democracy. In a democratic workplace, you would say every person-every
man and woman who is part of this participates in making the decisions since they all have
to live with the results. That’s the democratic idea. And the modern capitalist enterprise
is the negation of democracy. That’s why it’s always been so bizarre to imagine a system
so fundamentally undemocratic in its workplaces should present itself as the agent or the
bringer of democracy around the world. Talk about our relation to the world in all
of this. Is everywhere seeing a kind of revival of interest in Marx in the same way that we’re
seeing it in this country? I wouldn’t say it’s in the same way, but you’re
seeing revivals of people inspired by Marx. Even people who don’t know that they’re inspired
by Marx because Marx’s influence is so indirect. Let’s remember, you know, Marx is an exile
from Germany, lives in England, writes in the middle of the 19th Century, and by now,
Marxism is a reality in every country on the face of this planet. That’s an astonishing
spread. It is, in a sense, everywhere. And so it’s rediscovered periodically because
it’s repressed periodically so we kind of have that struggle back and forth. But just
to pick three examples, in Alberta, Canada, there’s an election which brings to power
for the first time people who have been influenced by Marx. In Greece, we have a whole new shift
of a society led by people who are self defined as Marxist. And now in Spain as well, a radical
alteration. We see everywhere that a capitalism that can function as unfairly, unjustly, and
unequally as this one is producing, as Marx, by the way, suggested it might, it’s own critics
and it’s own grave diggers by the very way it operates.
Now, Cornel, you’ve been in the civil rights movement a long time. Go back to the 60s,
the 50s. There was more Marx, if you like, in the civil rights movement of those days
than there is today. Fair enough? Cornel West: Oh, absolutely. I come from,
black people, who … our very way of engaging in collective expression … jazz is democratic,
symbolic action. Every voice is lifted in the orchestra. There’s not one monolithic
patriarchal figure. Count might call it the Duke Ellington band, but his voice is one
voice against Johnny Hodges and the others. Every voice must be heard in the collective
performance. Same is true in the workplace for Marx. But also, and I would add, even
with Marx, because I was blessed write a book that’s called “The Ethical Dimensions of Marxist
Thought” over 30 years ago. It’s democracy on the one hand, but it’s individuality on
the other. Marx comes out of Schiller. He comes out of German romanticism. He’s concerned
about the precious humanity of every individual, including working people’s individuality.
So individuality and democracy go hand in hand, just like in Count Basie’s band. Individuality
and democracy go hand in hand. So, there was deep overlap. That’s why Martin Luther King,
Jr. ended up a democratic socialist. And in the black tradition going back to reconstruction,
you had that interesting flowering of individualism. People out from under slavery, running for
office, and building new towns. But also this incredible co-investment, investment in each
other. Cooperatively owned farms, property. Public education and so forth. But again,
I draw a distinction between individuality and individualism. You see, individualism
tilts in the capitalist direction. Individuality is radical democratic levelers Marx.
I was part of a conversation not so long ago on the web organized by, among others, our
friend Gar Alperovitz and the issue was raised by Angela Glover Blackwell of PolicyLink that
you could have a new economic system, as we’ve had new economic systems in the past, that
fail to be inclusive, and that are taken apart, in effect, through their lack of inclusivity.
Going back to the 30s, why where farm workers and domestic workers cut out of fair labor
standards act laws and so on and so forth. What are we doing now to make sure that doesn’t
happen again in this discussion about a new economy, Rick?
I think it’s the notion of inclusion is crucial in all of this. That is, when I, for example,
talk a lot about workers cooperating, redesigning the very basic institutions that produce the
goods and services we all depend on, inclusion is the central motif. It’s a democratic process
of including every single person. So that when you go to work, you are not going as
a drone. You’re not going to be told what to do, how to do, where to do it, where to
do it. You’re going into an institution, the workplace, where you are as much a controller
as a controlled. Where you share all of the functions with everybody else. That’s a radical
new way to describe the workplace, which, for most adults, is the single most important
expenditure of their time. Five days out of seven, eight hours of the day, you’re in the
workplace, as most adults are. And therefore, to make that really democratically inclusive,
that’s a radical transformation of any society, and is why Marx is important. Because he pointed
us as to how and why that would be the next step beyond capitalism in a way that no one
else really was able to do at that time. You talk about worker determined enterprises.
Right. Elected and determined. There a lot of people that would say that
the street hustlers are a pretty worker determined enterprise. Are there models out there that
excite you, Cornel? That you see where people are developing these kind of ways of working
together that maybe we don’t call new economy but it’s out there happening.
I think there’s a lot of worker cooperative efforts. In Spain, and again Brother Wolff
talked about it in his book, and there anarchist brothers and sisters play a very important
role because they’re concerned about worker cooperative, too. Proudhon and others talk
about this as an overlap. I think the big difference is … one of the reasons why people
are afraid of Marxism is because they think of Lenin, they think of Pol Pot, they think
of Mao, they think of professional revolutionaries running political parties rather than his
rich analysis, his deep love of working and poor people ensuring that they can live lives
of decency and dignity and therefore talking about cooperatives and not always tied to
professional political parties that dictating x or y.
Soviets without Bolsheviks. That’s the Kronstadt Rebellion. That’s the council communism of
Gorter and Pannekoek and others. That’s very much tradition that we’re a part of. But when
you get to Mao and Lenin, that’s what people think of automatically. They say, “Oh, no,
you got some professionals dictating to workers what to do.” No, that’s authoritarian again.
It’s not democratic. That’s like trying to transform Duke Ellington’s band into a military
band. It’s not going to work. You’re not going to get the improvisation and the rhythm that
you need. Now, of course, front line communities, communities
of color, less privileged communities are better at this because they have to be. Then
the elites are very happy being in that 1% that has the same amount of wealth of half
the world’s population, or whatever it is. Does Marx have any insight on how do we flip
the balance of power, Cornel? Well, I think Marx had a cosmopolitan sensibility.
He’s open to all persons, no matter how oppressed or less oppressed who are interested in being
… willing to be part of a cooperative enterprise that put working and poor people at the center.
I think, you know, you and I would agree that there’s a rapacious individualism, even among
poor people, among blacks, and browns, and reds, and women, and gays, and lesbians, and
so forth. But we do have rich traditions of cooperative activity among peoples of color
and gays and lesbians and so forth. And we’re up against one heck of an entrenched
power elite, no? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
And yet, as Marx himself explained, when the people who run the capitalist system keep
running it for their own profit, and the number of them become smaller, and those of us who
are watching our futures and our hopes disappear as they do it, they are, in the end, undercutting
their own capacity to survive. I think we’re at a time in the history of capitalism when
we are all spectators to a self destruction awaiting us to become no longer passive but
active in making sure that the passing of capitalism leads up in a place where we will
be happier as human beings to be in. And that’s a heavy burden on us, but there’s not much
else we can do because otherwise we’re going to let this system take us down with it.
Last word, Cornel? That’s very real. That’s very real. We’ve
got impending ecological catastrophe, we’ve got possible nuclear catastrophe, and we’ve
got capitalist catastrophe tied to white supremacy, male supremacy, and all the hatreds of Jews,
Arabs, Muslims, gay, lesbian. We are in a dark moment. Marx had a blue sensibility.
He was keeping track of the darkness and the thickness of evil, but he knew resistance
was always possible. I love that about him. And I am cheered by the fact that we are even
having this conversation. And you two have it a lot. Thank you so much, both of you for
coming in. Thank you.
Thanks for the opportunity. Get more information and more on this conversation
at our website. Manju Rajendran has been making waves as an
organizer and activist since she was a teenager. We recently got a chance to talk to her about
the ways in which her family’s restaurant has been successful at modeling an anti-capitalist
way of doing business. Here’s Manju: [music] Five years ago, our family began an incredibly
journey to start a food justice restaurant called Vimala’s Curry Blossom Cafe and it’s
named after my mother Vimala Rajendran who has been cooking since she was seven. She’s
an incredible, incredible cook. And she’s an incredible cook because she cooks with
love. Like she thinks of it as her ministry, as her social justice work, as her art form,
as her vehicle for change. And it is a huge contribution to social justice work. It began
after 18 years of a community kitchen that we ran out of our home. And even the creation
of the community kitchen was a kind of inadvertent thing. So when I was, I guess, 12 or 13 a
bunch of women from my – the neighborhood that I grew up in invited my mom to come out
for dinner for her birthday and they said to her “the abuse that you’re living with
is unlivable, we have to come up with a strategy to get you out of there,” and she said “It’s
not feasible, I don’t have my own independent immigration status and I don’t have the financial
means to get away”. And they said to her, “Well every time we walk by your house, you
invite us in and you feed us. What if we were to give you a little bit of money for that
exchange and you give enough food to feed our families.” And so she started cooking
big amounts of food, and we would do a little Indian food takeout out of the side door of
our tiny little home, and she would save cash from this and was raising her own small independent
income and that sort of positioned her so that one day when the opportunity came to
run away unexpectedly, we hit the road. And we left. We lived underground for a few weeks
and we were homeless for a time, living in various people’s, whatever they could offer
us to stay. And we kept the community dinners going through this process. People would put
whatever they could afford in a jar and take home as much as they needed. Then after 18
years of this a jealous restaurant owner called the Health Department and they told the Health
Department that we were doing this. They said “You’ve gotta bust this” [laughs] And so,
my mother called me in tears and said, the Health Department just called, we have to
call the food back in, we were going to be serving out in this place, she told my brother
to go and bring all the food back. Tell all the people to come back to the house and eat
the food. So they ate it all. And the next day we kind of began strategizing over the
phone. I was living in Chicago at the time and she said if you and your brother and your
sister are willing to come home and help this restaurant launch then I’ll do it. And so
I said yes, and I moved home from Chicago. We had our soft opening at the time of the
US Social Forum in Detroit. And we pay workers a living wage, we source most of our produce
and meat from small local family farms. We work hard to have as much shared decision
making as possible, we reduce waste in big ways. We’re part of the pilot composting program
in our area, and compost tons and tons of what most restaurants have to throw away.
We’re part of a national organizing effort to try and fight for a living wage for all
restaurant workers. We’re serving healthy locally sourced, affordable food in a mixed
class, mixed race space that really shifts the dynamics around the Southern table. [music] That was Manju Rajendran recorded at the Allied
Media Conference in Detroit. If you have a story about a business that’s making change,
let us know. BP‘s settlement for the Deepwater Horizon
spill was great headline-grabbing news recently. Five Gulf coast governors as well as the US
Attorney General took the opportunity to claim glory for the largest settlement with a single
entity in American history. But who’s in deep for the Deepwater? Beneath the headlines,
it looks as if you and I might be. In case you missed it, under terms announced
July 2, British Petroleum agreed to a record-breaking $18.7 billion to resolve claims related to
the massive oil spill in the Gulf in 2010. Five states stand to gain from the payouts
over the next 18 years: Louisiana will receive approximately $6.8 billion according to Governor
and GOP presidential contender Bobby Jindal. In her announcement, A.G. Loretta Lynch declared
that ever since the spill the Justice Department has been “fully committed to holding BP
accountable” and to restoring the environment and the economy of the region “at the expense
of those responsible, not the American taxpayer.” But if that’s what the DOJ committed to,
it’s not exactly what they got. As we’ve mentioned before, when corporations
agree to pay out compensation, they can claim a tax deduction. Restitution, unlike a criminal
penalty or fine, can be written off as just another “cost of doing business”. Of that $18.7 billion, the Justice Department
seems only to have tied $5.5 billion to criminal Clean Water Act violations. The rest will
likely be tax-deductible, even though a New Orleans judge ruled BP guilty of gross negligence. $18.7 billion is a hefty sum, but it’s one
that the public will largely be on the hook for. It seems to suggest that bad behavior
can lead to just another corporate windfall. No maybe it’s no wonder that five years after
the Gulf of Mexico disaster, a Southern California coast was coated in crude oil this spring.
If the DOJ had seized BP’s assets and taken over control, now that might have sent a real
message. Tell me what you think. Write to me, [email protected]
and thanks. [music] What does it take to go from a moment to a
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100 thoughts on “Cornel West and Richard Wolff talk about Capitalism and White Supremacy

  1. Just found your channel. Couldn't pass up seeing west and wolff together. Epic.
    Looks like you're quite the comrade lol. Much obliged ✌

  2. The interviewer could have asked better questions, rather than such surface introductory level questions imo

  3. Ok, interesting but why times are bad for black, jews, muslims, women, LGBT? People from these categories can also be capitalist, i hate that racial or gender-based statements, that what brough Hilary Clinton representing democrates in 2016, and that will bring Joe Biden and bury Bernie Sanders

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  5. Cornel West is no fan of the White man and Wolff is White. I guess that proves that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. They both want to overthrow the system. Well…. Marx goal was to abolish all private property. I wonder if West and Wolff are for giving up their private property or does this only apply to people more wealthy than them?

  6. 21:35 Healthy, local, living wage, mixed race, safe space, diversity, virtue signaling environment …. now give me your money.

  7. Marx was the Charlie Manson of Economics by calling for hanging of innocent people and violent overthrow of society. Then dictators succeeded in murder just like he called for.

  8. When you walk into work in a capitalist system you walk into a place you chose to be in. This is the opposite of democracy where you a walk into a place that the majority chose for you. These guys seem to leave out one small issue. Within a capitalist system there can be problems. There can also be solutions.

  9. Exercise your mind… delete money and make everything free.. now take what the 1 percent actually consume and give it to the poor. Real actual commodities and tell me how much better off the poor are.

  10. IF THE LEFT DOESN'T TAKE A RADICAL STANCE FOR THE PEOPLE THE RIGHT WILL AND HAS TAKEN A HARD STANCE AGAINST THEM. DON'T BE AFRAID! YOU HAVE EQUALITY AND RIGHT ON YOUR SIDE
    https://podcasts.google.com?feed=aHR0cDovL3BoaWxvc29waGl6ZXRoaXMubGlic3luLmNvbS9yc3M&episode=ZDZlYjc5MWZmMjgzNDJhMGJjOTZhZjAzMWY4ZmI1NjM

  11. I 💘 Prof.West and now am a fan of Dr.Wolfe.THANK YOU GENTLEMAN.THAT IS THE WAY MEN USED TO BE. I TRULY MISS THEM

  12. Too bad the average American thanks he knows what Marxism and capitalism is, and wouldn't learn anything from watching this.

  13. In America you can be whatever you want. You want to have a commune you can,. You want to have a union, you can. You want to open a co-op buiness, you can.
    Want to be rich you can.
    If the whole system went to socialism/communist you couldn't .

  14. Comrades ..: “Point of Personal privilege, Maverick (he , him pronouns) …..just watched the Democratic Socialist Convention and “Ohhh myyyy Gawwwwd”. They are bat shit crazy…….. “Please use jazz hands instead of clapping as many of us have sound sensitivity.” And these two clowns are pro socialism… and communism

  15. I’ve never seen Laura Flanders before this-at first I thought she was Genevieve Bujold, circa Dead Ringers. And I like the channel. Yippee.

  16. Great conversation from 2 great minds but damn this is still so relevant in 2019!!! Now the idiot in chief is outright using speaking points from the white nationalist playbook and people are dead. His response my words unite people when reality it drove a white male racist of 21 year old from Fort Worth to drive to Laredo to kill 20 people and many more injured.

  17. rofl I know those faces – I quit many years ago, but you all smoked a huge freakin' bowl right before this started =D
    Whether or not this is accurate, quite enjoyed the segment, and the following piece about the anticapitalist restaurant effort. Though I am disappointed I didn't hear these two go into white supremacy in any great detail – ah well, next time.

  18. I worked at a company that started with 3 machines and grew to 14 machines. He sold the company with every worker's job on the line. The new owner got rid of top managers and staffers. Everyone in my department either quit or got fired. There were people in that business who started when it was small and they got nothing but uncertain future.

  19. Flanders: so uhh some say that "trappin out da bando" is a worker determined enterprise. I'll ask this to….. Idk picking at random…..Cornel! Do you agree? you uhh see anybody from " da hood" gettin down with marx?

    Cornel west: jim look into camera

  20. Looked up Vimala’s Curry-blossom Cafe, found it on Google Maps. The photos of the menu and the place are mouth watering. Lovely people, I’m sure. Too bad it’s 750 miles away from me..

  21. One correction here, feudalism was not replaced by capitalism.

    It was replaced by neo-feudalism. Consider that the general public regards the State as the superior Sovereign and Political superiors their nobility. Remember Dr Wolff, most politicians hold 'Titles of Nobility' the Chief of State has legally the same "King's prerogative" the same way the UK has its monarchy. Only the name of the title has changes. In thr UK the parliament is just like the judiciary and legislative brances of the U. S. government – -they serve an advisory role.👌💯👍

  22. capitalism freedom for criminals that run businesses to have their way anyway they want screw everybody put anything they want the creeks and water do anything they want to people

  23. Great video.. unfortunately, pro-capitalist propaganda is such a strong drug that it has the slaves to it defending it and even discussions like this aren't enough to cut through the programming.. (see heavily propagandized capitalist apologist troll comments below)

  24. could it be that 'democracy' in the US has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with religion? Religion where faith is rewarded with propaganda. As Joseph Goebbels well knew propaganda is not effective in obvious mind control but in influence disguised as entertainment. Popular entertainment that has risen as distribution of wealth has declined. The military industrial complex of modern class warfare is popular entertainment – whose inception was signaled in the first adoption of a popular RocknRoll anthem as an advertising jingle. With the right incentive there was no noble incentive that couldn't be prostituted for the end of corporate and private profit.

  25. If people looked back to the early industrialization of the US’ Northeast, post-Civil War up until pre-WWI, they’d be amazed to see how many factories and businesses paid their workers with ownership shares. It was feasible, it led to increased productivity, and it led to the formation of the strongest unions in the world – which the plutocrats started fighting against. Look at the labor riots that broke out in NY and WA.

  26. Wolff (2019)is not in favor of these elite corporate parasites and US INC (gov) paying the debt owed to the enslaved, Jim crowed ,Convict leased and insitutionally descriminated against and dehumanized, and this people of color crap is a way of obfiscating the issue of slavery. ADOS is who is owed the debt,

  27. Communism is fantasy.

    In a workplace, people need a leader, a strategist, a visionary to lead the corporation.

    Yes. Everyone can sweat, think and build. Not everyone is a leader.

    We just need labor laws preventing workers from being exploited.

    Marxism goes too far.

  28. Global capitalism has taken more people out of poverty then any other system is it perfect no but it is far better then communism. Stalin and Mao caused more deaths in world history then any others.

  29. In the political arena, an educated person's vote carries the same weight as a illiterate's in an election. By extension, in the work place , a CEO's vote should count just as much as
    his or her young assistant's.
    But, although democratic, and apparently fair, neither arrangement seems conducive to optimum efficiency.

  30. Great interview, brilliant duo to interview, however I think it could be improved by slowing the pace a fair bit, especially with two interviewees with so much wisdom to share. Felt like too often they were only just getting started answering the questions before the subject was changed or a new question was asked. Trying to have a short-form interview with just one of these guys is never good enough; short-form with both of them at once?! It’ll never be enough! This coulda been extended to a 2-3 hour long-form discussion & still every minute would be golden.
    Anyway, glad to have found this channel. Very interesting content, I hope to see you thriving and succeeding!

  31. West and Wolff, what a pairing! Great conversation. This showed in my reccs probably bc of Wolff, but I've watched some Cornel West clips recently too. Anyway I'll be checking out more on this channel.

  32. Waste of time there is no supremacy for anyone not even the rich or famous, the future has neutralized everyone

  33. Laura Flanders, thank you for bringing these two intellectual giants together on You Tube. Also, thanks for asking them relevant questions!

  34. I respect the intelligence of these men, but some of their ideas seem crazy to me. Why would anybody start a business if it isn't going to be theirs? It doesn't make sense, and it's why socialist countries don't work. What's the point of working hard if it isn't going to get you ahead. Socialism destroys all incentive to work hard at something. It doesn't fit into human nature. How can everybody at a workplace be equal? Somebody must be in charge, and they should be paid more. Otherwise, why be in charge?

  35. What these assholes seem to be forgetting about is that there are no significant barriers of free competition between their fantasy "self-governing", "worker-led", "democratic" enterprises that they seem so fond of and traditional enterprises. If these "progressive" enterprises were really all that competitive, the issue would have been solved decades ago.

    Whatever. Private investment creates jobs. Unionization doesn't. It's just not competitive, and neither of those two smartasses managed (co-)create a competitive one.

    On the other hand, there is significant barriers placed against democratizing public systems of governance, like international treaties (non-proliferation, decleration of human rights, etc.). Note also that the most democratic country – Switzerland – has much lower taxes than USA or any other European country, much smaller government, very decentralized and localized tax collection and spending, high fiscal competition and possibly greatest standard of living in the world.

  36. jazz analogy is beautiful – the only problem – though when we deal with jazz we have super-professionals who are playing and go beyond the regular high skills – speaking about ordinary people – in this concert give me break…

  37. Look, dont you dare attacking capitalism, it is and was made to
    Raise capital for a specie destiny,
    But capitalism is in a bad time right now, nations as our specie social structure is not made for beautiful capitalism, you just have to wait for evolution, both of you dummy!!!.

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